Dear Leader already in textbooks

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  1. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Eighth Grade English Lit: 'Out of Many, One'
    'See! It works!' - Bill Ayers


    I'm beyond the point of outrage, yep... suffering from ObamaFatigue.

    It's now 'sit back, observe and laugh' for me. I dunno if I can do this IF ELECTED, OBAMA WILL BE MY PRESIDENT , but i'll try.

    - or maybe not. Dunno yet... depends on how long he keep up the charade. Summa you {rhetorically affectionate term} morons may not wake up till you see his face on the outside of every public building in the US. But it'll never come to that, close but not quite that far.

    {Once elected, I'll refer to him as 'Exalted Leader', of course.}
     
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  2. HatterDon

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    This is highly suspicious. I think someone is being duped. Here's why:

    1. There's no way that a textbook published in time to be in schools in September 2008 will have ANYTHING in it about campaign 2008. The lead time for textbook publishing ensures that nothing earlier than 2-years old gets in.

    2. All textbooks approved for state use have to go through a state-wide review process -- AT LEAST ONE YEAR PRIOR TO ADOPTION.

    3. No textbook can be adopted nationally without approval by the most populous states. It is inconceivable that there'd be a 15-page section of any textbook devoted to a politician that wouldn't have caused howls of outrage in papers from coast to coast. Please note that textbook approval committees are NOT made up of Islamist America-hating college professors, but are usually disproportionally represented by far right/Christian right activists.

    What I think you've got here is a reading supplement, rather than a textbook. I'll also think that if it IS 15 pages long, those pages are not devoted to Barack Obama exclusively, but to the entire electoral process, or to minority representation in the electoral system.

    I'm not surprised that this surfaced on a right-wing web site, nor am I surprised by the comments it caused. Right wingers ALWAYS depend on people's ignorance of what actually goes on in public schools to join them in trying to discredit the system. If most of these pundits ever actually spent time volunteering in a local public school, they'd see that they are light-years away from Communist indoctrination centers. But that would be too difficult ... as difficult as checking facts.

    I'm assuming that it was your ignorance of the textbook writing/editing/vetting process and the time all of it takes that made you post this, along with the "fellow traveler" quote you've attributed to Bill Ayers. Otherwise, I'd think that this is just one of a continuing series of smears on Obama and the Obama campaign along the lines of "terrorist lover," "despoiler of children," and hater of America.

    No response required.
     
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  3. SteveM19

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    If Obama wins, I will tell myself a quote by Colin Powell -- "Avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position goes, your ego falls with it".

    Fog, that post sounds like when some off the rails Dem campaigners said after Kerry lost the election. The biggest threats to this country are not from those who have the temerity to vote differently than any one person says they should. If McCain loses, then he loses. If anyone wants to say that they will leave the country, like some Dem nitwits said after Kerry lost, hey, I've seen a lot of the world, and it's better here. End of story. But anyone who would say McCain/Obama is not my President is welcome to fly to Abu Dhabi or Kuala Lumpur and have a whirl at it.
     
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  4. jmh

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    The idea that Obama is that sort of a megalomaniac is just absurd right-wing fearmongering, especially ridiculous in view of the massive power-grabs that the present administration has engaged in.
     
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  5. dtwondough

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    Don, your post contains no proof that the book doesn't exist, just a quick google search returns 11,700 matches. I'm not saying the book exist or doesn't exist. Nor am I saying it contains 15 pages on Obama. But before I would come out and say it doesn't, I would do a little more research.

    And if it's just a supplement, does that make it any better? I'm not some right wing fanatic either, just a little to the right.
     
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  6. RidgeRider

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    This is what I was thinking, assuming their is some merit to the story, the difference between it being a supplement and it actually being in the book, to me is minor. You teach from the book and the supplement, it is still being taught. Don, I think is correct, that it would be challenging to actually make it into the actual book in the time frame we are talking about given the process.
     
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  7. RidgeRider

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    Couldn't agree more Steve. Nicely put.

    Listen, I would prefer that McCain become our next President however if Obama does win, then he does. He will be my President and I will support him when I agree with him and I will disapprove when I disagree. I will not however lower myself to the hate loaded vitriol that the left has so enthusiastically done with Bush. I hope other like minded conservatives will do the same if it comes to pass.
     
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  8. HatterDon

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    You're both right in that I did not prove that the referenced textbook doesn't include the chapter. I just pointed out that it would be impossible for it to (a) have 15 pages on Obama's political campaign, and (b) be in a textbook that could be used starting the present school year. Should I point out that saying that it is impossible to have a B-17 intact on the moon [love that Weekly World News], does not indicate that I have searched the entire surface for proof -- or absence of same? I will point out that a Google search of "B-17 found on moon" yielded 497,000 hits. What does that prove again? I rush to point out that nobody has as yet proven that the book with the 15-page Obama hosanna exists. I won't ask you to prove that it does.

    Now a word about reading supplements. There are publications like Scholastic and Cobblestone that are provided to schools to enhance reading -- especially reading outside of the classroom. They often are tied to current events. If this is -- as I suspect -- a reading supplement of that ilk, I still am betting that it either (a) covers as much of the 2008 campaign as possible or ( b) deals with minorities and women in national politics. The purpose of these supplements is NOT to indoctrinate; they're there to help kids read. No school I ever taught in assigned these supplements as part of a test. Why? Because it would turn the students off reading.

    Finally, if the national government and Wall Street got as much oversight as public schools, we'd all be better off. If you really think that public schools are anti-Republican breeding grounds for socialism, do youself a favor and spend some volunteer time in a school near you.
     
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  9. RidgeRider

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    Don, good point on the classroom visiting. My wife is and has been in my kids classrooms for several years. In fact, last year, she was the only mother, who volunteered in the class. So I don't fully support the notion that, at least in my neighborhood, that kids are being indoctrinated into liberalism, however, facts are facts, public schools are filled with union members, Union members vote Democrat because their union leaders tell them to or they may just be Democrats in philosophy and they don't like conservatives. I have found that our teachers mostly care about the kids and as long as you stay away from politics (which I do with them so it doesn't impact my kids), they do a good job of teaching the kids. I can't say how it is in other places. Remember, I live in California.

    Our colleges are a whole nother story.....in my opinion these places while providing tremendous learning experiences and opportunties to grow, are indoctrination camps. Not sure how I made it through without being a lib. :)
     
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  10. Spencer

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    Text book, supplement, whatever I just resent the equating of Obama with Kim Jong Il.


    Oh and this reminds me of my 7th grade Math textbook. The cover consisted of a collage children's book like illustrations of many seemingly random objects, a dinosaur, smiling people, a ruler, ect. The most noticeable illustration was placed at the center of the page, it was the two WTC towers and there happened to be another object, a NASA space shuttle, flying directly towards them. Its worth mentioning that when I was in 7th grade the year was 2001. You can't make this stuff up. Hopefully the cover changed on the next edition :shock:
     
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  11. Clevelandmo

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    I'm siding with Don on this one. No way is a public school attempting to indoctrinate students on Obama via a textbook. That has to be some type of current events supplemental reading material. Obama has made history by being the first black presidential candidate chosen by a major party after all. McCain, Palin, Bush, and Biden cant claim to be making history in that regard.

    I recently started working again (part time), but for the past nine years, I have spent countless hours volunteeing in my children's pre-school and public school classrooms. Despite the fact that I live in a school district in which you are either African American or a white elitist democrat, I have never seen anything that amounts to liberal political indoctrination in the classroom. However, after about the fourth grade parents' volunteering opportunities in the classroom pretty much disappear so some sort of shinanigans could be going on post 4th grade, but I doubt it. It would simply not be worth the risk for a school, even in a district like mine, to do so.
     
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  12. Lyle

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    ummm.... it is a bit early to be memorializing him and his works. i think the pages on him refer back to his autobiography, like the one he wrote before he accomplished anything in life (university achievements aside).

    the man hasn't even become President yet. lets celebrate him down the road, when it's proper form to do so.
     
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  13. pettyfog

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    Let's get real here. I would rather the protesting person have listed the catalog or ISBN number, but there's NO way a 'supplement' has 800 some pages.

    SECOND, that is the teacher copy of the book and it's on expository english. That is how english contructs work in speeches.
    I looked on the publishers site and for some reason cant find a single thing for Wisconsin eighth grade English.

    If someone was gonna make shit up, they would make it more damaging than that.

    I'll take my niece's word for what they teach in lower grades in schools. And she's an Obama voter. See's nothing wrong with it.

    And Spencer... I'll call him what I want. The term, if you think about it, refers more to the slavering cultists who support him and tremble at his every utterance.. even 'get a tingle up their leg'.
    I DO reckon he'll be 'my President' until he proves himself unworthy.

    You never know what a man will do until he's in the office. But with Nancy and Harry's help I have a feeling it wont take long to find out.
     
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  14. andypalmer

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    As someone who has relatives in Education, the current voting trends of teachers have less to do with "liberalism" and "union voting" than it does with the most hated law in the history of American Education: No Child Left Behind.

    "Oh, I'm sorry, even though you've been teaching this subject for 26 years and even though you've received both State and Presidential Teaching awards, you don't have a degree in the subject, so you can't teach it any more."

    "Oh, I'm sorry, even though half of the population of your school is made up of children of migrant workers who don't speak English, the low performance on the standardized tests means we're cutting your budget by 80% due to lack of Federal funding. I'm sorry that that means you'll be forced to buy thousands of dollars of school supplies for your class out of your own pocket, as your student's families are too poor to buy them themselves."

    ...I could go on.
     
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  15. SteveM19

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    You ain't kidding. The Federal Government does a few things very well. We have the best military in the history of the world. By and large, we have an excellent postal system at a lower cost than most, if not all, other nations (tha last data I saw is a few years old and I am too lazy to find more current info), they put a stake in the heart of the Mafia with RICO, and they were a driving force in the Civil Rights movement. Everything else they F*** up. Whenever I hear that the feds are putting something together like a $700B buyout package, I just want to puke. NCLB can go away any time now.
     
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  16. HatterDon

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    A belated thanks to both of you for these posts. In the unlikely event that Obama wins, I am truly hoping that there won't be 21st century models of two ubiquitous staples of the Clinton Administration:

    1. Bumper sticker seen EVERYWHERE: "My president is Charlton Heston"

    2. Idiotic, drug-addicted radio buffoon [repeated daily]: "Day 318 of America Held Hostage."

    Of the former, I always wanted to ask: "Okay, then; who's YOUR Secretary of State," but I resisted. It's the survival instinct.

    Oh, and GWB is MY president. If he wasn't, I wouldn't bitch about him so much.
     
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  17. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    More Expectations!

    "We're really excited, but we cant tell you why..."

    heh...

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    Oh... and dont worry Don. When Obama wins, Harry and Nancy will get that drug addicted buffoon off the 'public airwaves', right pronto!

    Then they'll start in on SatRadio 'fairness'.
     
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    The primary outrage that all of us should have regarding our national primary school system is how severly underfunded and dilapidated it is, and how the resultant product leaves our children disinterested in education and our society, as a whole, less intelligent.
     
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  19. WhitesBhoy

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    This guy mostly on the "left" doesn't hate him. You don't hate people with special needs.
     
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  20. WhitesBhoy

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    Oy, a Hannity clone in our midst. Graduated from college and you couldn't come up with an original thought. Truly, higher learning is beginning to dissapoint more and more.
     
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